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Thursday, April 10, 2014

"Nehemiah" Church Gimmicks for Raising Money: Insults Intelligence of Church Members, Shows Pastors' Lack of Faith in God

One of the troubling trends I see in evangelical churches is the rise of meaningless gimmicks that pastors are using to try to convince their church members that they have a "vision" from God for the future of the church.

The use of gimmicks is a sure sign of just how desperate pastors are becoming as they see rising expenses, declining revenues, and a dispersal of their congregations to other churches or their decision to just give up on the manipulative pastors and stay home.

I'm not referring to any specific church here - I see different forms of these gimmicks on a regular basis as I watch what happens in churches all over the country. Sadly, these gimmicks in the long run will hurt their churches. People are busy - and people are educated - and to try to waste people's time through manipulative sermons pushing manipulative gimmicks demonstrates the pastors' own lack of faith and trust in God, and shows that they think their people are stupid sheep.

When it comes to pastors trying to get people to give more money for a building or restoration project they will often preach a series out of the book of Nehemiah. Pastors will paint themselves as being a modern-day prophet sent by God to "rebuild" the church. Just do a Google search on "Nehemiah building program", and you'll see examples of sermons, sermon outlines, and blog posts everywhere from pastors using Nehemiah.

So when your pastor says God gave him a vision, and the vision involves sermons out of Nehemiah, you will be presented with the following cast of biblical characters fit to your modern day church:
Nehemiah: your pastor is the modern day Nehemiah, sent by God with a "vision" to you the church members to "rebuild the walls of Jerusalem"
Walls of Jerusalem: Well, the "walls" Pastor Nehemiah needs to build are actually the church buildings. You might need a new building, or maybe you stingy members didn't give enough the past 5 years and now the roof leaks and the carpet is ratty. Or maybe you just need more money so the church can do basic ministry.
Faithful Builders: If you get on board with Pastor Nehemiah's vision, you will be counted as part of the faithful Jews in Chapter 3 who got busy and rebuilt different parts of the wall. This is where the gimmicks come in so you can visibly show others you are with Pastor Nehemiah. You might have to come forward with a card, a rock, a stick, a tennis ball, or give a testimony and cry, or something else so that you can be seen by all as being with the pastor. And ultimately you will be asked to make a commitment. On a card.
The Evil Opposers: in your Pastor Nehemiah's sermons, if you don't get on board, if you object to the manipulation, if you dare to open your mouth and criticize the plan in any way, you will be cast as the evil opposers of God. You will be the "Sanballat" of Nehemiah chapter 4 who ridiculed Nehemiah and the Jews. You will be told you're "angry", so angry that you will be told you run the risk of developing esophageal reflux and throat cancer. You might not be a true Christian, because to oppose pastor Nehemiah means you are opposing God like the evil Sanballat and Tobias. See the guy with the turban on his head? That is not Ergun Caner. That is Sanballat. That is you, oh criticizer. Those frail guys at the top of the scaffold are your fellow church members who are digging into their wallet busy laying bricks to help. And please, Sanballat - do NOT send a critical email. That is exactly what Sanballat did - see the scroll in his right hand? That is his hard copy email delivered to Pastor Nehemiah. 
The Bricks: you might be asked by your pastor to make a brick. You might be asked to decorate a brick and bring it to church as a visible sign that you are not Sanballat or Tobias. Or some churches have used cardboard boxes. You'll be given a flat cardboard box, given specific directions on how to fold it into a box, and then asked to decorate it at home. Then you'll be told the day to bring it to church, so you can march it up to the platform and together with the other faithful builders you can make your own cardboard Nehemiah's wall.  That will be a great way for you to show you are a builder, a true believer, and not a Sanballat with a turbine on your head and a critical scroll in your hand.
All of this orchestration just really insults the intelligence of church members, and shows the pastor's own lack of faith to just leave the results to God. Many pastors and their associates will demonstrate their lack of trusting God by hitting the "Evil Opposers" sermon very hard to lay a huge guilt trip on people and to silence critics who are spreading dissension among the ranks. When they do this, they are scared.

But be careful, because more and more these days churches are being outright aggressive in their fund raising efforts. Some churches are very explicit in their desire to get their hands on your savings, your retirement account, your real estate investments. More and more churches during their campaigns will ask you to consider liquidating your assets and give them to the building program. Robert Jeffress did this a few years ago when he said:
"...may I suggest to you: the greatest thing you can do for your spiritual health, would be to take a large chunk of your assets, and give them to this campaign. Just slice off a big hunk of 'em [as he slices with his hand] and give them to this campaign."
Churches will also use carefully selected video testimonies of members who will explain how committed they are to giving lots of money to get you to follow suit. I saw one video recently of a single mom who admitted she was going to up her tithe for a building program, using her new child support money. Not kidding. This is ugly stuff. If I were this lady's ex-husband, I would be playing this video for my lawyer and getting back in front of the judge to discuss the need for my child support payments if they are just going to be used for a church building project.

So watch your wallets. I've heard reports of Sunday School classes of senior citizens being encouraged to dig into their retirement accounts and give money to the building program. These men of God really have no shame in asking you for more of your assets to keep their failing churches afloat.

What should you do? Give as you purpose in your heart to give. Don't be swayed by the manipulation. If you love your church and want to help, do it. But don't do it out of guilt or manipulation.

Remember that pastors are quick to shift the blame of years of their own poor leadership and the lay leaders' poor money management practices - and their own actions that have driven givers AWAY from church - and making it YOUR problem that YOUR life savings will be needed to solve.

So if so inclined, you might want to write on the committment card this statement of definance:

"Years of poor leadership on your end, Pastor Nehemiah, does not now equate to a financial emergency on my end." 
Signed, Sanballat and Tobiah

46 comments:

Anonymous said...

"I'm not referring to any specific church here"


I see what you did there...

Anonymous said...

"I'm not referring to any specific church here"


I see what you did there...

An Attorney said...

The ad immediately below this post when I got there was "Plan Your Own Funeral"! If your card with the suggested response was to be traceable back to you, and you had not already left, your membership in that church would likely be dead (as in getting a trespass warning like the WD got)!

Some guidelines for giving. If you know your pastor's total remuneration package, and it is more than what you get, DON'T GIVE any more than you feel you should, and probably less. If you don't know your pastor's total remuneration package, DON'T GIVE AT ALL.

You see, at most churches, the financial problem would disappear if the pastor's total remuneration was set at the average of the congregation members who regularly attend, which is probably less than half what he actually gets. (BTW, count his wife, kids, parents, and any other relative they have on the payroll in this computation!!!!)

Anonymous said...

Tom Rich - You have lost all credibility. You got your pound of flesh and you cannot keep your word. I think another attorney got it right when he called you a "coward." Why not sue him? Because you are by the Meriam Webster - a coward.

FBC Jax Watchdog said...

Wow that is quite vitriolic anon!

Anonymous said...

"Some churches are very explicit in their desire to get their hands on your savings, your retirement account, your real estate investments. Recently I heard a speech" by a pastor who suggested members leave their estate to the church rather than their children because "you don't know where it will end up left to the kids." His parents are members of the church; wonder if they'll take his advice.
Also, people don't know where their money will end up if left to the church, either.

Anonymous said...

I find it ironic that Jesus never asked for any of his disciples to pay the tax but rather sent them fishing and lo and behold the fish they caught had a coin in his belly. Jesus visited all over the Judean hills and around the sea of Galilee and even among the tax collectors and the woman at the well amongst numerous others. His home was in a garden. He was God and could have chosen the best place to live in pure grandeur but welcomed the humility of a bare existence since He knew He was returning to His place in Heaven real soon. The signs of His second coming are very apparent and some of these pastors(?)are using the same old tried methods of pushing the sheep for one more dollar and no wonder church membership is way down. Additionally, hundreds of pastors are leaving the church because of hard times and their thinking did not reveal the problems associated with bad economy, health issues, unemployment, children returning home, etc, etc. The best thing a pastor can and should do is never preach on MONEY and let God give the increase especially if they really believe God told them to do such and such. Just a few thoughts that come to mind.

Anonymous said...

Anon 10:16 Have you not read of the Watchman on the Wall? Or a fruit inspector? You sound angry and need to quit judging what many outside the church are witnessing. Revival begins in the church not outside it and many of us on the outside have grown weary of some of these so-called God called self appointed great ones!!

Anonymous said...

One additional fact: Jesus ran the money changers out of the church. The preaching was empty, hearts were not being changed, and what a sad commentary on the young people who when they get out of school, college, or move never return to the church of their fathers.

Billy Jordan said...

Dear Mr. FBC Jax Watchdog, otherwise known as Tom Rich,
First of all, my name is Billy Jordan of St. Petersburg, Florida (I provide this just to let you and the other bloggers know that my name means something to me and I would rather that everyone be able to put a name to an opinion!), and let me say that I've only been exposed to your blog for about two weeks or so now---but my, oh my, what an experience it has been!
In response to your blog about "Nehemiah," you stated that this article is "not referring to any specific church." You then mention so-called "gimmicks" that some pastors use to raise money for various projects within the church itself and/or other ministry efforts. I do not need to go over them again because you have already done a superb job of listing them. What I find interesting, Mr. Watchdog, is that it seems VERY coincidental that practically the whole content of what you wrote is EXACTLY what is going on currently with FBC Jacksonville. I know this because my wife and I faithfully watch the services via internet and that means that you, too, are closely following them like the proverbial watchdog. But what is appalling is that you pass off this whole laundry list of things a pastor can engage in to raise money as if it is a summary of what you have seen other churches do. Why didn't you just come out and say that this story is about FBC Jacksonville and is its current method of asking for money? It is no secret, Mr. Watchdog, that you have an ax to grind with that church and its pastor, Mac Brunson.
I just graduated from Liberty University Theological Seminary and received a Master's degree, which required a tremendous amount of reading and writing. I say this to let you know that, had you turned in this article for a grade at some university class, you would have been IMMEDIATELY withdrawn from the school because of violating plagiarism rules. If you want people to take you seriously in your blogging, then, please, just be honest! Because, remember, there are watchdogs watching the Watchdog!

FBC Jax Watchdog said...

Hi Billy - All I can say is that I am Nehemiah, and I'm trying to rebuild the walls of the evangelical church. How dare you criticize me, trying to do God's work. You must be like Sanballat, criticizing the work of God by God's man. So easy to be a critic like you, criticizing me, a modern day Nehemiah, who is trying to do something for God.

Billy Jordan said...

Watchdog,
What makes you think my observations are critical? All I did was to point out your OBVIOUS omission of the examples you listed in your "Nehemiah" blog as being events taking place right now at First Baptist Church Jacksonville, yet you passed it off by saying that your article is not referring to any one particular church? Why couldn't you just be honest about that? I've got more to say...so stay tuned.
Billy

Billy Jordan said...

Watchdog,
In your response to my first entry, you referred to yourself as a Nehemiah and that all you're trying to do is "rebuild the walls of the evangelical church." That's fine, as long as you're trying to do it like the original Nehemiah. But, honestly sir, if this blog is your way of "rebuilding," I'm having a VERY hard time with your word choices in describing people and the things they do as a means of "correcting" the injustices that you see or think you see. If you're going to be a true re-builder, then you have to play by the rules---GOD's rules. Jesus Himself said that if we have an issue with someone, we're to go to them PRIVATELY (not in a blog!) and settle the matter so that our offerings will be pleasing to the Lord (Matt. 5:23-24). Paul warns us that we are NOT to take our "dirty laundry" out before an unbelieving world for them to judge and ridicule---and this can happen by putting it in a blog for ALL to see! But he also says that we should be handling our disputes privately amongst ourselves (1 Cor. 6:1-11). Also in 1 Thessalonians 4:9-12, Paul writes that that we are to live HOLY lives---you, me, Mac Brunson, all of us---and that we should "lead a quiet life, to mind your own business" (v.11). That's it, living a quiet life, individually, in holiness before the Lord, even though things may be messed up. You and I cannot be walking with God in holiness if we're out to stir up the pot by being a busybody in other people's matters (1 Peter 4:15). Then there is the matter of controlling our own tongue as mentioned throughout the entire book of James. And why do we do this? As Solomon puts it, because we are to live our lives by fearing God and keeping His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God---not me, not you, and not some anonymous blog--- will bring every work into judgment, including every secret thing (you know, the kinds of things that blogs LOVE to reveal and say about people), whether they are good or evil (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14).
Here is a novel idea. If you're still determined to keep writing as you do, why not conclude EVERY blog by calling upon your followers to PRAY for the ones mentioned in the story. I've looked around on your site and cannot find even one instance where you do this. And, dear brother-in-Christ, this is not bad criticism unless you choose to look at it that way. I think you have a gift for writing and maybe you might think about penning words in a different way or even different venue. Just a thought...
Billy

Anonymous said...

In actual dispensational theology being taught, this type of overt spiritualizing of the things of Israel being applied to the church today is warned against. It is really a form of replacement theology. Here is good question to ask ANY leader about tithing. Ask them why they conduct church on the Sabbath and honor way of the Jewish calendar? Oh yes, tithing ia universal principle they will say. Are they aware that in only six years of seventh is a tenth required and the third and sixth year a third of the budget to widows and orphans. Thie is "strange" doctrine. The sons of Korah need to be called into question.

Anonymous said...

Billy, I have been plagerized to some degree many times in ideas by other people in ministry, I just assumed it was the Spirit of God delivering the same message. I didn't resent it. Don't you get it?

An Attorney said...

Billy,
People are leaving the church in droves BECAUSE of the abuses by the Pastors -- financial abuses, interpretation of scripture abuses, abuses called "church discipline", abuses of polity (turning the church into a privately owned corporate entity for all intents and purposes, except taxation). The WD is standing in the gap, along with other bloggers, because the wolves are stealing from the sheep and preaching a false doctrine.

Anonymous said...

Attorney: Boy did you state it correctly. Even when you go directly to some of these so-called anointed ones they resent it and will do anything to have a person dismissed as they cannot believe someone would dare to challenge them regarding anything spiritual as they are the AUTHORITY!!

Anonymous said...

Mr. Jordan: As information there are numerous pastors that are using some of the tactics expressed by WD all over various denominations. Unfortunately, a lot of the funds raised go to the pastors rather than where it is needed. Just retrieve some of the various churches or view them on the internet and they are there everyday and some want people to go on a trip somewhere when most people do not have $1,000-$2,500 to spend during these troubling times.

Anonymous said...

Yea.. i guess its time to get drilled again about more giving... after just having had to lay off 50+ church employees that Im sure weren't making much over min wage.. I guess we couldnt ask brunson and his family to take pay cuts now could we

Dr. Jupiter aka Dr. J said...


Has anyone noticed how secular the SBC is? Scratch the thin layer of religious jargon and the whole thing operates on one principle -- do what works.

Boss Man. "... insults intelligence ..." Clearly, you had a generous moment there. :-)

What is really scary, these folks actually make a conscious decision to sit through this hollow speak week after week.




FBC Jax Watchdog said...

Two great lessons we can draw out of Nehemiah, since his building program can be used as the modern day model for fund-raising for churches:

1. Don't ever answer critics. Nehemiah didn't answer his critics. Therefore, in your life, don't ever answer any critics. Unless you work for a living, and then you do answer all critics, complainers, those who are dissatisfied with your performance. If you're a mega church pastor, then yes, ignore your critics like Nehemiah. But the rest of us must answer to our critics.

2. Nehemiah prayed an imprecatory prayer for the destruction of his critics, thus we can too!! Nehemiah prayed this in chapter 4 "Hear us, our God, for we are despised. Turn their insults back on their own heads. Give them over as plunder in a land of captivity. 5 Do not cover up their guilt or blot out their sins from your sight, for they have thrown insults in the face of[b] the builders."

Yes, pray against those who aren't on board with the building program. Ask God to destroy them, and to NOT save them, that they'll rot in hell forever. Amen!

See people, when you listen to men of God make application of OT stories to modern day, if you're not careful, you'll buy their nonsense that they preach in the name of God.

Anonymous said...

As information I just searched on Google "Pastors begging for money". You would not believe what some of these men and women preachers are asking their viewers to donate their money. No wonder church is silent on sin!!

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr. Jordan,

Thank you for the light shed. The reason that Mr. Rich will not say FBC or Mac Brunson is that he would have to pay back a bunch of money that he bilked. It was a picture of the tyrannical third grader holding his breath until he got his way. In the end, he got paid off and promised not to mention people. Instead this is his thinly veiled sophomoric attempt to continue stirring up trouble.

Oh..I am not referring to any specific church here.... You can't look people in the face and tell them what you think. That makes you a coward. It is evident, in your article, that you are a liar as well.

Nothing new here - More display of cowardice and confirmation of your lack of integrity.

Anonymous said...

Using NEHEMIAH to manipulate church members to excuse abusive behavior towards those who ask questions - here is a TEXTBOOK case:

http://youtu.be/YE3FHMTAWHY
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FBC Jax Watchdog said...

That right there is what fundamentalism does to one's brain. It makes them bitter, angry, and having to lie and lash out at someone who disagrees with them and their fundamentalist views. One of the reasons I am so glad I am away from the mega church scene.

Now THAT is funny - a bitter, angry, anonymous critic coming here to my blog to tell half truths - and then call me a "coward".

You are the coward, and you just showed it once again Anon.

FBC Jax Watchdog said...

"Waaa waaaa waaaaaa"......crybaby church members who still all these years later still come on to this blog to criticize a blogger. You need to take the advice that you hear preached: don't answer your critics!! Be like Nehemiah!

And don't forget to pray your imprecatory prayers!

FBC Jax Watchdog said...

stt - glad you signed your last post, which I am blocking. I've given you a platform for your lies over the past several years, and won't put your latest lies up on my blog. And no, did not sue A.C. Soud for calling me a "coward". That is not slander any more than your anonymous claims of cowardice toward me. You've made that stupid comment so many times on this blog, it really is embarrassing for you and good thing you hide your true identity when you post.

I know your identity btw, and if it were told it would only serve to make things worse for you and your friends. So I'll do you that favor at least.

Having been out of the mega church scene now for quite some time, I really have pity for you. Because when a person has invested so much of their time and their resources and intellect in believing garbage, when one subjects themselves to religious lies and anger and manipulation for so long, you can't break free. It is next to impossible. You're "all in" as they say, and you can't escape.

But believe me, there is freedom to be had, and truth to be known. Trouble is you'll never experience either. You have to view events with your religious blinders firmly attached. Sad, but boy am I glad I've escaped.

Be well, stt.

Anonymous said...

Hey Ding Dong from FBC beating up WD...
We left there just over a year and a half ago. Two full years before that Mac "pitched" through Blount a program to repair the leaking preschool roof and update That area.
Mac and Deb Deb hasnt missed an overseas trip yet and $$ collected. Was told recently...roof still leaks and no update to preschool.
Maybe children building cardboard walls vs a real construction company is all they can afford with so many leaving there??

Anonymous said...

Hey WD - Thanks for keeping your word by promising to blog about mega churches. Thanks for not being a coward by letting these guys intimidate you. Thanks for putting your name on these posts, we all know your name, and anything else we need to know about you. A coward would not sue the state attorney, sheriff, city, Brunson and FBC Jax. And your name definitely WAS on those legal pleadings. Praise Jesus for the WD and his fearless and faithful blogging!

Anonymous said...

Hey Billy Jordan aka Ding Dong,

I also graduated from Liberty but with my B.S. (no pun intended) and thankfully let what they taught me go through one ear and out the other. Tom is far from being a coward he sued didn't he and won? He also isn't plagiarizing anything this is HIS blog is he trying to write a paper for Liberty? I think NOT. You throwing the coward word around and everyone else throwing it out there is actually comical. The only cowards are mega pastors begging for funds to supposedly use for "repairs to buildings" when in all reality it's more than likely going to be used for trips and family that's on the churches payroll. Good luck with your Masters degree you received from a school like Liberty it will only help you in the fundamental world not the real world. Oh it might work as a last resort for toilet paper too. Just a thought but One Spark here in Jacksonville has had inventors for the last week raising funds for their inventions, or what inspires you, than you vote on that and they receive the funds. I bet one particular church wishes they could have set up a booth they could have called it "Nehemiah"

Johnny D. said...

WD, my friend and a true reformer of the modern-day mega-church foolishness! Love ya, brother!

Anonymous said...

The reason some stay in a church is due to their heritage: parents went there, grandparents, friends, business associates. They really do not care who the pastor is since they only hear a 20 minute sermon once or twice a week which is quite enough from some of these fellows!! Glad to have you back Johnny D.

Anonymous said...

I think you mean a turban on his head, not a turbine. A turbine would be mighty uncomfortable and look strange. Otherwise good post.

Anonymous said...

I too was a member at FBC during the time that Tom Rich was there. Funny thing though, I had never heard of him at all in all that time and I was extremely involved and active until his little blog hit the Times Union. I too moved to serve in another fellowship but not for the same reasons as Tom. Frankly, it is extremely evident to any rational thinking person that he does have an axe to grind with not only Brunson but any other fellowship that does not see eye to eye with him. And all this crap from him about how "He monitors" what goes on around the country in other churches is one very bizarre and strange behavior. As far as all the recommendations that he move on and get a life will never happen since it is his life to pour out bitter and not sweet water.

Anonymous said...

I just watched the Nehemiah speech by Mac Brunson. It was all about raising money and attacking critics.

No wonder you had to answer him in an indirect way.

Bunson said something along the lines of:

"Critics have to have an audience, if you don't have an audience, criticism doesn't do anything. Critics know (they've) got to build a consensus; they've got to build audience; and (they've)got to be heard...so many people listen to criticism today on the internet that you would have never given that person the time of day years ago."

He went on to say that a person was inquiring about negative information about an SBC leader he read from the internet. Mac said wrote him back asking him if he knew the person's name making the accusation, because some people want to make a name for themselves by attacking others who already have a name.

Mac thinks people like you are "constantly negative."

Stay true to your cause!

FBC Jax Watchdog said...

Anon 6:12 - you sound mighty bitter, pouring out that bitter water on the Watchdog.

I've heard it for 6 1/2 years. "coward", "bitter", "angry", etc. etc. Doesn't phase me one bit. Like Nehemiah, I don't listen to my critics. But unlike Nehemiah, I don't pray imprecatory prayers for my critics. I blog on.

And you obviously continue to read on. :)

FBC Jax Watchdog said...

Hi Johnny D! Thanks for checking in here on the blog! I follow you on Facebook, and glad you and your family are doing well!

Anonymous said...

Nothing new here - More display of cowardice and confirmation of your lack of integrity.

April 11, 2014 at 8:55 PM
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Which shows more lack of integrity...a man blogging about his concerns with abusive religious men OR grown men taking six figure salaries, housing and benefits and calling themselves "reverend" as professional snake oil salesmen...every penny they take was initially given "to GOD", yet they are the ones spending. That is the lowest a man can stoop. To take the money Jesus loving people give back to Jesus and they take that money for themselves. Shameful! You are the cowards and have no integrity. yet if a man criticizes that, you call him a coward and accuse him of no integrity. We are on to you. It is harder and harder to keep duping the people isn't it. Darn the printing press. Darn the internet. Is it to late to have another Inquisition?

Anonymous said...

Anon 6:12 Sometimes the message one is given to bear and proclaim IS only Negative! Yea... Happened in scripture too. It doesnt mean one is bitter themselves just aware and actually caring ...and probably tired of it themselves also.
Do you reallythink more negative messaging is not in our country's future. "Repent for the Kingdom of God is at Hand" is the cry needed. Not build and decorate a stoooppid cardboard box wall and fund our next staff trip down the Daube :(
Personally WD as long as you continue to try to stay close to Our God and proclaim with intent to help folks see clearly then Im with you my friend. Remember in the end He / We win!!!!!!

Billy Jordan said...

To anonymous who left a reply to me dated April 13, 2014 at 10:56 AM--I wish you had at least had the courage to give your real name but no matter, the Lord knows who you are. Although I can appreciate intelligent replies yours caused me to smile. If you must resort to calling someone moronic names then that definitely says more about your character than anything else. As for me, I have only to answer to the Lord as do you. You will give an account for every word that comes from your mouth. IF you are a brother or sister in Christ, then this is an admonishment, if not, then your opinion truly does not matter. Shalom

Anonymous said...

Billy Jordan - you are a brave man. Your name links to your Google Plus account with exactly zero information about you.

Billy Jordan said...

Anonymous April 16, 2014 @ 4:34pm,
I'm rather stumped as to why you've taken the time to find out more about me through Google Plus. I'm actually an old man, probably old enough to be your father or grandfather, and, yes, I do have a Google email address...but all this stuff about Google Plus is foreign to me and I know nothing about it. But you at least know my name and that I am on Google, which is more than I know about you! What is your point?

Anonymous said...

"I'm rather stumped as to why you've taken the time to find out more about me through Google Plus"

Because you made a big deal of "having the courage to use your real name."

How many Billy Jordan's are there in the world? Thousands? Tens of thousands?

Yes - brave indeed.

Anonymous said...

"I'm actually an old man, probably old enough to be your father or grandfather"

Since you have no idea how old I am, that statement makes no sense at all.

Anonymous said...

"But you at least know my name and that I am on Google, which is more than I know about you!"

Why do you need to know something about me?

Anonymous said...

Apparently because we know Billy's name that means his opinion is more valid than those who write under anon. Will every knee bow and every tongue confess that Billy Jordon is lord to the glory of God the Father?
No. The only name that matters is Christ's. Therefore, Billy, you might as well write under anon as well because your opinion counts for naught and neither does your name.
Also, if you're as old as you say you are then your time is short. You best repent of your sins now before you meet God face to face. He will hold you accountable of every word, thought, & deed. That includes protecting and defending wolves who will tear the God's sheep to pieces.